Wrestling Observer Hall of Fame (2015)

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Re: Wrestling Observer Hall of Fame (2015)

Post by SammyJ_D » Sat Oct 10, 2015 9:19 pm

Everything I thought I knew has been turned on its head. GAWD DAMN!~

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Re: Wrestling Observer Hall of Fame (2015)

Post by Joe Lanza » Sat Oct 10, 2015 9:45 pm

Yeah, we're all guilty of tossing around "influence" in these discussions, and maybe it's to-may-to, to-mah-to, but historical significance could be interpreted as slightly different than historical influence.

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Re: Wrestling Observer Hall of Fame (2015)

Post by Robareid » Sat Oct 10, 2015 9:46 pm

I always get historical significance and influence mixed up.

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Post by soup23 » Sun Oct 11, 2015 2:07 pm

Punk has to be the most affected by the semantics since his historical significance is too soon to tell to some degree.

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Re: Wrestling Observer Hall of Fame (2015)

Post by Headbutt Stoppage » Thu Oct 15, 2015 7:41 pm

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"Issue won't be out for a few weeks, but 7 new Hall of Famers in 2015. Most newcomers since 2004."

Personally, I'm hoping for minimum 4 coming out of the Mexico category. It would seem that the voters of people dropped from the 15-year rule did not send in blank ballots out of protest, and likely got behind some of the about-to-be-dropped guys and/or the 50%+ guys.

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Re: Wrestling Observer Hall of Fame (2015)

Post by Rob McCarron » Thu Oct 15, 2015 8:06 pm

My guesses would be: Brock Lesnar, Daniel Bryan, Shinsuke Nakamura, Cien Caras, Volk Han, Carlos Colon, and Other. I have no idea who could be #7. I'll say voters went crazy and put Sting in.
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Re: Wrestling Observer Hall of Fame (2015)

Post by DylanWaco » Fri Oct 16, 2015 1:13 am

Dave hints on the latest audio that Sting got a massive bump.

If Caras, Colon and/or V3 fall off the ballot, I'll probably only vote for Weston next year.

On the historical significance point, I suppose it really is slightly different than influence if you think about it. And actually that difference drastically improves the candidacy of JYD, as I think his influence is there but harder to prove, whereas his incredible historical significance is almost impossible to deny.

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Re: Wrestling Observer Hall of Fame (2015)

Post by kjharris » Fri Oct 16, 2015 4:12 am

SammyJ_D wrote:1. The two highest grossing WMs have indie guys on top!
-You can have Daniel Bryan, even if that leans into "WELL HE MIGHT NOT HAVE BEEN BROUGHT IN WITHOUT PUNK" but Rollins winning this year doesn't really work for me. He gets no points for it being high grossing. Does Punk get points for someone like Seth Rollins who wins on a big stage then leads into low ratings? That's up to you I guess.
Most homes viewed not highest grossing. Highest grossing would be one of the Cena vs. Rock WrestleMania. Due to their business model change WrestleMania 31 was, on paper, the least profitable ever.

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Post by cheapshot » Fri Oct 16, 2015 11:01 am

DylanWaco wrote:Dave hints on the latest audio that Sting got a massive bump.

If Caras, Colon and/or V3 fall off the ballot, I'll probably only vote for Weston next year.

On the historical significance point, I suppose it really is slightly different than influence if you think about it. And actually that difference drastically improves the candidacy of JYD, as I think his influence is there but harder to prove, whereas his incredible historical significance is almost impossible to deny.
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Re: Wrestling Observer Hall of Fame (2015)

Post by NoLoudNoise » Fri Oct 16, 2015 2:01 pm

I sort of worked myself into Jeff Hardy being a better candidate than Edge and Orton. He should be on the ballot at least. What is the criteria for putting teams on at the very least?

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Re: Wrestling Observer Hall of Fame (2015)

Post by DylanWaco » Fri Oct 16, 2015 2:12 pm

Hardy has already been on the ballot and fell off in one year.

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Re: Wrestling Observer Hall of Fame (2015)

Post by SammyJ_D » Fri Oct 16, 2015 2:14 pm

DylanWaco wrote:Hardy has already been on the ballot and fell off in one year.
But does he still have a better case than Orton?

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Re: Wrestling Observer Hall of Fame (2015)

Post by JonnyBart » Fri Oct 16, 2015 2:21 pm

I think Jeff Hardy smokes Orton as a candidate.

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Re: Wrestling Observer Hall of Fame (2015)

Post by Headbutt Stoppage » Fri Oct 16, 2015 4:19 pm

Considering that we already have been told that Sting had a major bump on the ballots for doing half-a-dozen appearances for WWE and seeing Styles's return to the ballot after leaving TNA, we can infur that Jeff will never sniff the HOF as long as voters punish wrestlers for accepting Dixie's money.

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Re: Wrestling Observer Hall of Fame (2015)

Post by Rich Kraetsch » Fri Oct 16, 2015 4:25 pm

I think Hardy has a WAY better case than Orton. Would I vote for him? Probably not but I think he blows Orton out of the water on multiple levels.

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