2016 WON HOF Ballot & Discussion

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2016 WON HOF Ballot & Discussion

Post by Joe Lanza » Fri Sep 16, 2016 8:16 am

It's time for the 2016 Hall of Fame elections.

This ballot is being sent out to major wrestling stars, past and present, major management figures in the industry, writers and historians.

If you are getting this, you are being asked your opinion on who should be inducted into this year's Hall of Fame class. The criteria for the Hall of Fame is a combination of drawing power, being a great in-ring performer or excelling in ones field in pro wrestling, as well as having historical significance in a positive manner. A candidate should either have something to offer in all three categories, or be someone so outstanding in one or two of those categories that they deserve inclusion.

The names listed below are those under consideration for this year. To be eligible, a performer must have reached their 35th birthday and completed ten years since their debut as a full-time performer, or be someone who has been a full-time pro wrestler for at least 15 years.

Longevity should be a prime consideration rather than a hot two or three year run, unless someone is so significant as a trend-setter or a historical figure in the business, or valuable to the industry, that they need to be included. However, just longevity without being either a long-term main eventer, a top draw and/or a top caliber in-ring performer should be seen as relatively meaningless.

The election is broken down into a number of categories. You should check each category for wrestlers that you feel you are familiar enough with based on geography that you've either traveled or are familiar with, and based on the time you have followed pro wrestling. You do not have to vote for a wrestler in every category you've checked.

The ballot is also broken down to wrestlers and those who are not pro wrestlers but have been valuable parts of the industry.

The maximum number of wrestlers that you can vote for all the categories is ten. You can pick as few as zero if you don't believe anyone on this list deserves inclusion.

For wrestling executives, managers, announcers and other outside the ring performers, you can vote for them and they are not counted against the ten. You can vote for as many as five of them.

All responses are confidential. There is nothing to worry about politically about any involvement in this process. Your selections will not be revealed unless you choose to do so yourself.

Anyone who receives mention on 60% of the ballots from the geographical region and time frame (broken down as Continental United States & Canada; Mexico; Japan; and the rest of the world) will be added to the Hall of Fame in the class of 2016.

If you are unfamiliar with any of the candidates due to geography of having never seen them, that is fine. Ballots are sent to many people from all over the world and from different wrestling cultures so that everyone has as fair a shot at possible.

The breakdown for modern and historical performers is 30 years ago, or 1986. So if the last year the person was a headliner, or was a key figure in the industry, was prior to 1986, they would be in the historical class.

All performers who receive mention on 10% to 59.9% of the ballots from their geographical region or era will remain on the ballot for consideration next year. All those who receive less than 10% of the vote will be dropped from next year's ballot. They can return in two years based on if there is significant feedback from voters who say they will vote for them. This is mostly for wrestlers who are still active who may improve their career legacy, but can be for retired wrestlers if voters believe they should be put on or returned to the ballot.

In addition, in following the lead of the baseball Hall of Fame, which is the model here, starting this year we have a 15-year-rule. The following candidates have been on the ballot since 2000. In baseball, this would be their last year of eligibility. Here, if they don't get at least 50% of the votes in this year's election they will be removed from the ballot. If they are modern candidates, they can be brought back in the historical performers era in two years if it is more than 30 years since their career as a Hall Fame level performer is up:

The following candidates will be dropped from next year's ballot unless they are elected in or garner 50% of the vote:

Cien Caras
Blue Panther
Seiji Sakaguchi
Villano III
Volk Han

Please return this ballot by October 15th.

Please check by every category you are familiar with

I FOLLOWED THE HISTORICAL PERFORMERS ERA CANDIDATES
Red Bastien
Brute Bernard & Skull Murphy
June Byers
Domenic DeNucci
Cowboy Bob Ellis
Don Fargo
Pepper Gomez
Archie "Mongolian Stomper" Gouldie
Dick Hutton
Rocky Johnson
Killer Karl Kox
Mark Lewin
Pedro Morales
Blackjack Mulligan
Kinji Shibuya
John Tolos
Enrique Torres
Von Brauners & Saul Weingeroff
Johnny "Mr. Wrestling II" Walker
Tim "Mr. Wrestling" Woods
Bearcat Wright
Ron Wright

I FOLLOWED THE MODERN PERFORMERS IN U.S/CANADA CANDIDATES
Bryan Danielson/Daniel Bryan
Junkyard Dog
Edge
Curt Hennig
Randy Orton
C.M. Punk
Sgt. Slaughter
Sting
Kerry Von Erich
Ultimate Warrior

I FOLLOWED WRESTLING IN JAPAN CANDIDATES
Jun Akiyama
Cima
Yoshiaki Fujiwara
George Gordienko
Volk Han
Hayabusa
Masahiko Kimura
Satoshi Kojima & Hiroyoshi Tenzan
Yuji Nagata
Shinsuke Nakamura
Mike & Ben Sharpe
Minoru Suzuki
Kiyoshi Tamura
Akira Taue

I FOLLOWED WRESTLING IN MEXICO CANDIDATES
Brazo de Oro & Brazo de Plata & El Brazo
Caristico/Mistico
Cien Caras
Fishman
Ultimo Guerrero
Karloff Lagarde
Blue Panther
L.A. Park
Huracan Ramirez
El Signo & El Texano & Negro Navarro
Vampiro
Villano III
Dr. Wagner Jr.

I FOLLOWED WRESTLING IN EUROPE/AUSTRALIA/NEW ZEALAND/PACIFIC ISLANDS/AFRICA CANDIDATES
Spyros Arion
Johnny Barend
Jim Breaks
Big Daddy
Horst Hoffman
Billy Joyce
Mario Milano
Kendo Nagasaki
Jackie Pallo
Steve Rickard
Rollerball Mark Rocco
Johnny Saint
Ricki Starr
Otto Wanz

NON-WRESTLERS
Bill Apter
Lord James Blears
Dave Brown
Chyna
Jim Crockett Jr.
Jim Crockett Sr.
Gary Hart
Jimmy Hart
Howard Finkel
Ed Francis
Jerry Jarrett
Larry Matysik
Gene Okerluind
Don Owen
George Scott
Stanley Weston

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Re: 2016 WON HOF Ballot & Discussion

Post by cheapshot » Fri Sep 16, 2016 8:36 am

What's everyone's thoughts of the new EUROPE/AUSTRALIA/NEW ZEALAND/PACIFIC ISLANDS/AFRICA CANDIDATES category? Was that warranted now there are less AUS/NZ/PI/AFRICA candidates?
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Re: 2016 WON HOF Ballot & Discussion

Post by Joe Lanza » Fri Sep 16, 2016 8:39 am

cheapshot wrote:What's everyone's thoughts of the new EUROPE/AUSTRALIA/NEW ZEALAND/PACIFIC ISLANDS/AFRICA CANDIDATES category? Was that warranted now there are less AUS/NZ/PI/AFRICA candidates?
I think it was to be as fair as possible to Colon until he either got in or dropped off, and at this point it is probably due to so few candidates from the old AUS/NZ/PI/AFRICA bucket.

There is really no good solution as to what to do with the misc. regions, aside from adding more candidates and finding more voters comfortable voting for/against them.

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Re: 2016 WON HOF Ballot & Discussion

Post by BossMoz » Fri Sep 16, 2016 8:42 am

NON-WRESTLERS

Chyna
huh?

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Re: 2016 WON HOF Ballot & Discussion

Post by Joe Lanza » Fri Sep 16, 2016 8:48 am

I'm going to deep dive on Hayabusa. My first instinct is no, but I'm a hard marker (I've never voted for more than 5 people in a given year). The historical significance is strong for him, as a highly influential wrestler. Probably a better draw than people think, but I need to dig into that. Not a HOF level worker from a traditional standpoint, but he had great matches within his hybrid style/promotion, and again, his work is VERY influential. He's the most intriguing candidate on the ballot, being that he's fresh, has a good case, is somewhat unresearched, and honestly will be fun to watch on rewatch. So many of the other candidates have been argued to death, and I'm sick of talking about them.

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Re: 2016 WON HOF Ballot & Discussion

Post by cheapshot » Fri Sep 16, 2016 8:54 am

He was absolutely a draw, considering FMW had no TV. FMW were still doing big houses, with him on top after Onita's retirement in 1995.
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Re: 2016 WON HOF Ballot & Discussion

Post by DylanWaco » Fri Sep 16, 2016 9:09 am

I have mixed feelings about the combination there. My initial feelings was that it was fucked, but as long as Dave is resistant to the idea of including other candidates from Puerto Rico it feels like it's not the worst idea. To me the more interesting story is the guys who were taken out of that category and folded into the historical region, even while historical era luchadors, and The Sharpe Brothers are still sitting in their respective regions.

Very interesting that the U.S. modern category is by far the lightest. Says a lot about how voters have viewed modern candidates, and also might speak to the dismissive disposition Dave has to some regional stars (not that guys like Tommy Rich or Bill Dundee would likely get much support).

Fujiwara finally appearing on the ballot is fascinating as Dave has rejected multiple requests by voters to include him for several years. I'll vote for him for many of the same reasons I supported Hamada (plus I think Fujiwara is an even better worker), but I do concede that he's a complicated candidate.

Will be interesting to see what possible reasons anyone could give for voting for Perro Aguayo Jr., Brock Lesnar or Shinsuke Nakamura and not Mistico.

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Re: 2016 WON HOF Ballot & Discussion

Post by DylanWaco » Fri Sep 16, 2016 9:12 am

Joe Lanza wrote:I'm going to deep dive on Hayabusa. My first instinct is no, but I'm a hard marker (I've never voted for more than 5 people in a given year). The historical significance is strong for him, as a highly influential wrestler. Probably a better draw than people think, but I need to dig into that. Not a HOF level worker from a traditional standpoint, but he had great matches within his hybrid style/promotion, and again, his work is VERY influential. He's the most intriguing candidate on the ballot, being that he's fresh, has a good case, is somewhat unresearched, and honestly will be fun to watch on rewatch. So many of the other candidates have been argued to death, and I'm sick of talking about them.
I love Hayabusa and have zero problem with him being added to the ballot but realistically I'd struggle to see a single good argument for him as one of the ten best candidates on the ballot. Even if I was restricting myself entirely to Japan and modern U.S. he wouldn't make my top ten names. Not meant as disrespect at all but it would be hard for me to call him clearly better than A.J. was before A.J. came to the WWE - and Styles fell off the ballot twice already.

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Re: 2016 WON HOF Ballot & Discussion

Post by Jeff Hawkins » Fri Sep 16, 2016 12:02 pm

Get rid of the regions, just a strict across the board. If you want to expand the number of candidates, fine. But you shouldn't be able to "protect" candidates from glaring weaknesses on their resumes through their work in smaller ponds.

Do away with the non-wrestlers category and just put people in or use a veterans committee.

I think Blackjack is getting a death bump because influential people in dave's circle were close/fans.

Danielson's getting in because he's the only standout eyeball "yes" for a certain criteria in that roster.

I hope Slaughter's career can get more focus with the smaller NA ballot, because I tend to think he's a stronger candidate than given credit

Sting's main event run in WWE and working a Wrestlemania won't mean anything because too many public pronouncements of him not being worthy.

Edge, with there being such a small ballot on modern performers and more modern wrestlers being influenced by him, will probably get in.

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Re: 2016 WON HOF Ballot & Discussion

Post by GOTNW » Fri Sep 16, 2016 12:19 pm

DylanWaco wrote: Fujiwara finally appearing on the ballot is fascinating as Dave has rejected multiple requests by voters to include him for several years. I'll vote for him for many of the same reasons I supported Hamada (plus I think Fujiwara is an even better worker), but I do concede that he's a complicated candidate.
Why? Hugely influential all time great worker. If Akiyama, Taue, Tamura and Volk Han (among others) managed to hang on forever I see no reason why Fujiwara is "complicated" when he was a star when japanese wrestling was actually popular. Sure-not the biggest star, but he was positioned on Fujinami's level and was cheered over Choshu and Hashimoto when facing off against them. Hamada's peak was what, jobbing to Tiger Mask a couple of times during the only time in history that junior wrestling mattered? That's solid but Fujiwara was a player for much longer.

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Re: 2016 WON HOF Ballot & Discussion

Post by Garuda » Fri Sep 16, 2016 12:27 pm

Fuckin' love HOF season. The 15/50 rule really helped clear shit out, and last year we saw a lot of entries. It'll be interesting to see how that shpaes things in its third year. Hopefully Mexico can get some stuff in and clear the logjam, as usual.

Crazy how small the NA/Modern category is this year, and I think you can make an argument that Daniel Bryan is the only deserving candidate in the bunch. Several interesting bubble cases, but I'm a pretty firm no on Sting and Edge. JYD's always an open questions.

CM Punk... I usually lean yes on him but this year in particular another year has passed and I think his legacy isn't growing with age in the way you'd want to see it to vote him in. His longevity is meant to be balanced out both by high quality and in the "influential" circuit, and I kind of feel like that argument's somewhat less impressive year over year.

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Re: 2016 WON HOF Ballot & Discussion

Post by Joe Lanza » Fri Sep 16, 2016 12:36 pm

GOTNW wrote:
DylanWaco wrote: Fujiwara finally appearing on the ballot is fascinating as Dave has rejected multiple requests by voters to include him for several years. I'll vote for him for many of the same reasons I supported Hamada (plus I think Fujiwara is an even better worker), but I do concede that he's a complicated candidate.
Why? Hugely influential all time great worker. If Akiyama, Taue, Tamura and Volk Han (among others) managed to hang on forever I see no reason why Fujiwara is "complicated" when he was a star when japanese wrestling was actually popular. Sure-not the biggest star, but he was positioned on Fujinami's level and was cheered over Choshu and Hashimoto when facing off against them. Hamada's peak was what, jobbing to Tiger Mask a couple of times during the only time in history that junior wrestling mattered? That's solid but Fujiwara was a player for much longer.
You are severely downplaying Hamada's influence and peak. I'd argue Hamada was more influential than Fujiwara. I see Hamada in modern wrestling every day. He also did it on two continents.

I'm not disparaging Fujiwara here, just pointing out that summing up Hamada as some guy who jobber to Tiger Mask a few times is seriously reductive.

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Re: 2016 WON HOF Ballot & Discussion

Post by GOTNW » Fri Sep 16, 2016 12:51 pm

You can only credit so many people for the same thing.

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Re: 2016 WON HOF Ballot & Discussion

Post by Brandon Howard » Fri Sep 16, 2016 5:24 pm

Nakamura is on the ballot despite being voted in last year

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Re: 2016 WON HOF Ballot & Discussion

Post by wac » Fri Sep 16, 2016 7:00 pm

If Mistico doesn't go in it makes the drawing criteria of the HOF look like a joke.

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