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Re: G1 CLIMAX 28

Posted: Wed Jun 20, 2018 6:57 am
by packerman120
As of right now, my gut is telling me that Jay White makes it to the finals, and scalps Okada & Tana in the first two nights. I think Tana is definitely winning that Budokan match, well, at least that's what I would do. Make Okada look vulnerable, lose it, have to rediscover himself, long journey back to Wrestle Kingdom's main event (2020). Problem is, I really don't know who wins then. I feel like it's somebody from the A block. So, judging by my thoughts earlier, Jay White is winning the G1? Would be interesting. No idea where New Japan goes from here, and even if they go the route of Naito/Okada via Naito over Omega at KOPW, it would still be interesting given the unexpected.

Re: G1 CLIMAX 28

Posted: Wed Jun 20, 2018 7:23 am
by Tigerkinney
They've managed to keep Togi Makabe and Toru Yano apart- maybe they are thinking of setting up a G-1 Finals between the former tag partners turned heated rivals :lol:

In all seriousness though, I can't see really see past Okada winning the A-Block. I think they will tell the 'starts slow but comes through in the end' story with him. I can definitely see White making a fast start and getting wins over Okada and Tanahashi, but I just don't see him making the finals. He'll be the guy who will get wins over the big-names but will then slip up on a few banana skins to cost him a finals spot. Wouldn't surprise me at all if he beats Okada and then stuffs it up against YOSHI-HASHI.

B-Block is much more open with Ibushi, Omega and Naito all strong favourites for the finals and don't think you could count out ZSJ, SANADA or Goto either. As much as we all love Ishii, he has no chance of making the finals.

Here's a thought, who do you think would have been dropped from the G-1 line up, if Shibata was still able to compete? I think YOSHI-HASHI surely must have been on the cusp of being dropped from this year's field. I actually think Tama Tonga has missed the mark more in his previous G-1 appearances but in comparison to Taco's he's a former multi-time tag champ and has a part to play in the Bullet Club Civil War storyline. Yano was never going to get dropped, as much as some people want him out, he's been a G-1 fixture since 2007, plus I think they like to have him in there as his style gives his opponents a semi rest day. Makabe was never going to get dropped either, I think some people forget that he's a former IWGP Heavyweight Champion and it's likely his final tournament when it comes, will be announced with a bit more fanfare than him being quietly dropped from the field.

More than anything it's injuries and departures that open up new spots in the G-1, we didn't have any departures this year and only Kojima from last year's field is currently out injured, the only other spot to open up was the one vacated by Yuji Nagata competing in his final G-1 last year. Midcarders who don't really progress do eventually get dropped, but it should be noted that Yujiro was in 6 straight G-1's between 2010 and 2015 before they finally decide to pull the plug on him being part of it.

Re: G1 CLIMAX 28

Posted: Wed Jun 20, 2018 11:45 am
by Frank Olson
packerman120 wrote:As of right now, my gut is telling me that Jay White makes it to the finals, and scalps Okada & Tana in the first two nights. I think Tana is definitely winning that Budokan match, well, at least that's what I would do. Make Okada look vulnerable, lose it, have to rediscover himself, long journey back to Wrestle Kingdom's main event (2020).
Wouldn't it be sort of weird for Okada to lose to Tanahashi so soon after their Dontaku match though, since the story of that match was basically
that Tanahashi is no longer on Okada's level?

My guess is that Okada loses his first two matches (to Jay White and Bad Luck Fale) and then runs the rest of the field in a dramatic comeback.

Re: G1 CLIMAX 28

Posted: Wed Jun 20, 2018 1:05 pm
by Rich Kraetsch
Heather wrote:I created a pick 'em spreadsheet in Excel earlier today (full card listings in order of presentation, main events bolded, and when you select your winner it automatically tabulates at the base of the column... basically I wanted to learn how to make drop-down fields so I saw this as a great opportunity to take a stab at it)

Not sure if Rich/Joe would want an Excel-based form or if they want to go with Google docs for the pick 'ems but it's available to be sent to whoever wants it :)
Appreciate it, Heather! We do Google docs because then people can submit via forms which makes it FAR easier to handle given the amount of entries we usually have. Our backend has a pretty extensive Excel sheet to count all the entries. Either way, appreciate it! I'd like to see your form anyway if you're willing to share :D

Re: G1 CLIMAX 28

Posted: Wed Jun 20, 2018 8:10 pm
by Heather
Rich Kraetsch wrote:
Heather wrote:I created a pick 'em spreadsheet in Excel earlier today (full card listings in order of presentation, main events bolded, and when you select your winner it automatically tabulates at the base of the column... basically I wanted to learn how to make drop-down fields so I saw this as a great opportunity to take a stab at it)

Not sure if Rich/Joe would want an Excel-based form or if they want to go with Google docs for the pick 'ems but it's available to be sent to whoever wants it :)
Appreciate it, Heather! We do Google docs because then people can submit via forms which makes it FAR easier to handle given the amount of entries we usually have. Our backend has a pretty extensive Excel sheet to count all the entries. Either way, appreciate it! I'd like to see your form anyway if you're willing to share :D
LOL, since I forgot about the complexities of the backend I'm too embarrassed to share my simple little spreadsheet! The one item I'm working to figure out is how to get a draw to register as 1 point (right now it registers as "0" and I'd have to manually add a point to each competitor). It's a little worksheet to play with while trying to figure out your blocks, but holy sh*t would it be hell to tabulate several players worth of workbooks!

Re: G1 CLIMAX 28

Posted: Wed Jun 20, 2018 9:11 pm
by mrjoshdude
So I saw a post on Reddit today about how Kenny and Tanahashi are being kept extremely apart and have been for a couple of years. I honestly didn't notice but now that it's been brought to my attention I can't stop thinking Tanahashi will be our G1 winner and challenge Kenny for the belt at WK13. Everyone has been saying how Okada needs to win the G1 because the ace needs to be in the main event at the Tokyo Dome. Well, the ace in question doesn't need to be Okada. Pretty easy to see the scenario too. Jay White upsets Okada N1, but not Tana N3. Last day in Budokan Okada, Tanahashi, and Jay are all on 10. Jay beats EVIL to get to 12 and eliminate Okada, meaning Okada is just fighting to get Jay through at that point. But Tanahashi beats Okada to also get to 12 taking him to the finals where he beats an Ibushi or a Naito or whatever.

With a Tanahashi-Omega WK main that means you've got Okada, Naito, Ibushi, Suzuki, White, and possibly Jericho for the undercard which is pretty crazy. Could easily do a storyline with Jay trying to usurp Okada as leader of CHAOS based on his G1 win over him, leading to a match at WK with CHAOS in the stakes. Jericho-Naito II is also easy to set up, or have Ibushi beat Naito in the G1 and turn that into a WK match for the IC Title after Naito beats Y2J for the belt somewhere on the way.

My only thing with this scenario is I don't know where you go with Tanahashi-Kenny in terms of a storyline. Everything is part of the bigger picture in NJPW but I don't see how this one fits in. Okada's main events with Kenny/Naito/Tanahashi have all been part of something but this would really just be a big match. Which is fine I think? Having two mega stars of New Japan clash and pushing that it could be Tanahashi's last WK headline ever and I'm sure it'd go fine. As if the fans wouldn't eat up a Tanahashi-Kenny match in the main of the Tokyo Dome.

I'm sure it'll probably just be Okada that wins the G1 and we're getting Okada-Kenny or Okada-Naito in the Dome again, but hey, you never know.

Re: G1 CLIMAX 28

Posted: Wed Jun 20, 2018 10:40 pm
by Leo C
mrjoshdude wrote:So I saw a post on Reddit today about how Kenny and Tanahashi are being kept extremely apart and have been for a couple of years. I honestly didn't notice but now that it's been brought to my attention I can't stop thinking Tanahashi will be our G1 winner and challenge Kenny for the belt at WK13. Everyone has been saying how Okada needs to win the G1 because the ace needs to be in the main event at the Tokyo Dome. Well, the ace in question doesn't need to be Okada. Pretty easy to see the scenario too. Jay White upsets Okada N1, but not Tana N3. Last day in Budokan Okada, Tanahashi, and Jay are all on 10. Jay beats EVIL to get to 12 and eliminate Okada, meaning Okada is just fighting to get Jay through at that point. But Tanahashi beats Okada to also get to 12 taking him to the finals where he beats an Ibushi or a Naito or whatever.

With a Tanahashi-Omega WK main that means you've got Okada, Naito, Ibushi, Suzuki, White, and possibly Jericho for the undercard which is pretty crazy. Could easily do a storyline with Jay trying to usurp Okada as leader of CHAOS based on his G1 win over him, leading to a match at WK with CHAOS in the stakes. Jericho-Naito II is also easy to set up, or have Ibushi beat Naito in the G1 and turn that into a WK match for the IC Title after Naito beats Y2J for the belt somewhere on the way.

My only thing with this scenario is I don't know where you go with Tanahashi-Kenny in terms of a storyline. Everything is part of the bigger picture in NJPW but I don't see how this one fits in. Okada's main events with Kenny/Naito/Tanahashi have all been part of something but this would really just be a big match. Which is fine I think? Having two mega stars of New Japan clash and pushing that it could be Tanahashi's last WK headline ever and I'm sure it'd go fine. As if the fans wouldn't eat up a Tanahashi-Kenny match in the main of the Tokyo Dome.

I'm sure it'll probably just be Okada that wins the G1 and we're getting Okada-Kenny or Okada-Naito in the Dome again, but hey, you never know.
I was thinking about this too. I doubt they'd set it up in the way you described in which Okada has no chance of winning the block, but I could see Tanahashi either beating Okada or having one more point than Okada and drawing with him, thus advancing. I jumped to the conclusion that we were getting Okada/Naito at the Dome again with Naito beating Kenny in October, and while that is likely giving the way the blocks are structured (Okada is in one block while Omega and Naito are in the other), everyone assumed Naito was going to win the G1 in 2016 so we got Okada/Naito at the Dome, and... things didn't go that way. Tanahashi/Omega being apart for two years is kinda odd when you think about it; these things normally aren't coincidences in NJPW.

Re: G1 CLIMAX 28

Posted: Thu Jun 21, 2018 6:34 pm
by OptionZero
Tanahashi could simply be a high-value scalp for Omega to fortify his championship resume.

Everyone should check out his interview with X-Pac on the Xpac12360 (AfterbuzzTV network). Lots of kayfabe/not kayfabe stuff, but among them, Omega talks about not needing to be a "traditional champion" and pushing the company forward by doing something different than just holding the belt a long time and running through challengers in the company

When he and the Young Bucks battled the New Day at E3, eh did something Okada could never do, he put an NJPW HW champioon WWE's freakin' website and a sanctioned youtube channel (over 500k views). He got The New Day on Being the Elite.

He's gonna promote his own show at CEO with NJPW and local talent

He's gonna headline the G1 Special in Cow Palace (okada did a smaller value under different circumstances)

These are the things i think Omega has in mind when he says he wants to be a different type of champion - a true multiverse brand ambassador

Having said all that, he DOES need to defend the strap in the promotion, and adding Tanahashi to his defenses would only further legitimize his reign. I expect Cody will have the NWA and ROH title at some point so that will add significance to his scalp as well. Then we'll likely have Jay White and Naito as challengers along the way

Also, Omega needed the Young Bucks to defeat Tanahashi for the IC title. A rematch in which Omega goes over clean would be significant

Re: G1 CLIMAX 28

Posted: Thu Jun 21, 2018 8:35 pm
by Gerard
Playing of what was talked about on the Flagship about someone finally dropping the briefcase before WK, how about this. Jay first drops the US title to Juice at the Cow Palace. Jay beats Okada on Night 1 and then wins the G1. This causes dissension in Chaos and then we get Okada vs. Jay, briefcase vs. control of Chaos at KOPW or maybe even another event since the IC title isn't around to be defended on mid size shows like Destruction or Power Struggle right now.

Re: G1 CLIMAX 28

Posted: Fri Jun 22, 2018 8:19 am
by packerman120
I'm buying all in on this Omega/Tanahashi theory. Also, a way they could play Tanahashi beating Okada after the finality of Okada's Dontaku win is the fact that Okada may need to rediscover who he is without the belt, find himself again. The story they could also play in Omega/Tanahashi is Omega thinking Tanahashi isn't on his level, washed up ace, etc.

Also, just saw this. Omega wants a match with Tanahashi. Remember what happened when he said he wanted to work Ishii last year?


Re: G1 CLIMAX 28

Posted: Mon Jun 25, 2018 12:12 pm
by dmahady
Any ETA on the pick 'ems submissions being opened?

Re: G1 CLIMAX 28

Posted: Tue Jun 26, 2018 2:08 am
by Str909
Am I too late for G1 pick em?

Re: G1 CLIMAX 28

Posted: Fri Jun 29, 2018 12:25 pm
by greenmanRD
I think White is beating Tanahashi, whether he beats Okada is the question. I think it makes a ton of sense given Okada's demeanor at the moment, White has been incredibly opportunistic so far. White beat Omega when he was distracted by Cody and Bullet Club dissension. Beating Okada when he feels lost without his title is a very good addition to who White's character has been to this point.

I like the Tana/Omega theory for WK 13. I feel like they can't do Okada/Omega again, so I'm not sure how they book post-G1 to get the title off of Kenny if Okada wins the G1. I have struggled with who to pick for the B Block, I feel like any of Naito or Ibushi are good candidates to win the block. Goto would be an interesting upset pick, but I feel like he's going to come up short. They don't even have Sabre main eventing any of the block shows, so picking him to main event the Dome seems pretty optimistic at this point. I think him needing a win to stay alive vs. Naito is possible, but I think Naito is now 0-2 against Sabre, so I think that's going to change soon.

Ibushi/Omega on the final night can be booked in so many different ways. Ibushi could be needing to play spoiler to Omega, winner could take all. I wouldn't be surprised to see the match end as a draw for Naito to make his way into the final. I actually think Naito/Omega has a good shot to end as a draw on Night 1 for B Block as well.

Re: G1 CLIMAX 28

Posted: Sat Jun 30, 2018 5:51 am
by ceftaxias
I wish the full lineups with the undercard tags were released earlier, there's always that in between period when the block matches are just put out in a random order and people are wondering why Gallows vs. Honma on night 14 in Sendai is main eventing, and then base a bunch of their predictions (or entire podcasts) around stuff like that.

Re: G1 CLIMAX 28

Posted: Sat Jun 30, 2018 6:55 am
by Tigerkinney
ceftaxias wrote:
Sat Jun 30, 2018 5:51 am
I wish the full lineups with the undercard tags were released earlier, there's always that in between period when the block matches are just put out in a random order and people are wondering why Gallows vs. Honma on night 14 in Sendai is main eventing, and then base a bunch of their predictions (or entire podcasts) around stuff like that.
I was trying to block out memories of Gallows being in the G-1. He did face Honma in a G-1, back in 2014 but it wasn't in Sendai. They were jerking the curtain in the Yamagata sports center in a 7:37 'classic'. For me Gallows was the one full time roster member who did not improve at all during their time with New Japan- he came in a shit wrestler, he left a shit wrestler.

Even if it's improving just a little bit (Tonga Roa) or coming on leaps and bounds (Juice Robinson) every wrestler that comes into New Japan becomes a better worker, but I can honestly say I did not see any improvement what so ever from Gallows during his far too long stint with New Japan.