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Re: Strong Style Spirit - New Japan catch all thread

Posted: Fri Jul 06, 2018 8:22 pm
by PW17
NJPW is indeed returning to the Pyramid for the 9/30 show in Long Beach. I guess I called it?

Also two Young Lion-based shows in November, located in Anaheim.

Re: Strong Style Spirit - New Japan catch all thread

Posted: Sat Jul 07, 2018 8:11 am
by OptionZero
A Young Lion's show in America seems incredibly ballsy. How many can they even expect to pull? A couple hundred?

Re: Strong Style Spirit - New Japan catch all thread

Posted: Sat Jul 07, 2018 12:40 pm
by Leo C
OptionZero wrote:
Sat Jul 07, 2018 8:11 am
A Young Lion's show in America seems incredibly ballsy. How many can they even expect to pull? A couple hundred?
I think it's going to be part of a larger convention or something.

Re: Strong Style Spirit - New Japan catch all thread

Posted: Sat Jul 07, 2018 8:10 pm
by thecubsfan
I'm sure they'll find a way to make holding the event cheaper, but flying over rookies to work shows is a bit of a vanity move. Ideas like running outside of California have been dismissed as costing too much, but it's hard to believe the primary issue is the expenses if these shows got a green light.

It'll be interesting to see if these shows follow the pattern of the Lion Gate shows by bringing in outsiders (and who those outsiders would be) or if verys strictly NJPW young lions.

Re: Strong Style Spirit - New Japan catch all thread

Posted: Sat Jul 07, 2018 9:56 pm
by Leo C
thecubsfan wrote:
Sat Jul 07, 2018 8:10 pm
I'm sure they'll find a way to make holding the event cheaper, but flying over rookies to work shows is a bit of a vanity move. Ideas like running outside of California have been dismissed as costing too much, but it's hard to believe the primary issue is the expenses if these shows got a green light.

It'll be interesting to see if these shows follow the pattern of the Lion Gate shows by bringing in outsiders (and who those outsiders would be) or if verys strictly NJPW young lions.
Actually, come to think of it, who knows if they're going to fly anyone over? It may just be a show featuring LA Dojo standouts and maybe a couple of local indy guys/ROH guys to fill the card up.

Re: Strong Style Spirit - New Japan catch all thread

Posted: Sun Jul 08, 2018 6:43 am
by Frank Olson
I just got back to my hotel a bit ago after seeing the G1 Special live and I'm not sure what the reaction of everybody watching at home was, but I thought it was a great show!

One match that is probably destined to fly under the radar but that I thought was pretty great was Ishii and Yano vs. Suzuki and Sabre. I'm not usually that big a fan of lengthy forearm exchanges, but I could watch Ishii and Suzuki do that too each other all day. That popping noise that Suzuki produces with his strikes is really wild. I really love the Yano and Sabre interactions too, and I feel like their match together in the G1 is going to be a ton of fun. The ending of this match was a creative callback to the Dominion match that these two teams had.

The NEVER Title match was a good showcase for Jeff Cobb, who was super over with the live crowd. Goto was basically treated by the live crowd as if he were the heel of the match and I think that if he were better at playing up to that it would have taken the match to the next level.

The Tag Title match was really good although I liked the Dominion match better. This one seemed slightly too heavy on unnecessary shenanigans (ref bumps, etc.). There were still a lot of cool moments though, like the Human Centipede Sharpshooter. They also fooled me at a few points into thinking that EVIL and SANADA might win the belts back even though I went into the show thinking that it was a lock that the Bucks would retain, so props for that too.

Hiromu vs. Dragon Lee and Juice vs. Switchblade are the two best matches I've ever seen live.

I really believe when I watch Hiromu and Dragon Lee wrestle that they might actually kill each other in the ring. There's such an intensity to their interactions, and it really lifts the matches above being simple spotfests. I still think that their New Beginning 2017 match was the platonic ideal of this style and likely won't be topped soon, but I'd put tonight's match up there with anything else from their series.

The US Title match was phenomenal. The promos from both Juice and White and the broken hand angle really added up to a great build, making this my favorite New Japan feud of the year so far. I love that they started the match immediately at a fever pitch. Too often in wrestling we see grudge matches start with a boring chain wrestling sequence that makes no sense for the story being told, but Juice and White had a clear story that they were telling and they stuck with it from the beginning of this feud to the end of this match. I'm going to be interested to watch this back to see how the spot where JR gets knocked down plays on TV (it's probably the lone match that I'll rewatch with English commentary, since I assume that JR and Barnett were awful as usual). Live it was hard to tell if that was a genuine accident or a planned spot. Juice finally getting a win in a title match was a great payoff to his long-running story and I'm glad that I was there to see it live. But this match and feud felt like a bit of a breakout moment for White as well. He was really getting massive heel heat, and this seemed to be the one match where pretty much everybody in the crowd was on the same side. No one that I heard aside from one contrarian a few rows behind me was rooting for White, whereas there seemed to be sizeable portions of the audience supporting EVIL and SANADA earlier in the night and even a surprisingly high number of people rooting for Cody in the main event.

The main event was fun to watch live although I wonder how well it comes off on tape. It was definitely heavy on smoke and mirrors, but it felt to me like it may have been Cody's best match in NJPW to date (admittedly not a high bar to clear). Certainly better than the Wrestlemania weekend match that Cody and Omega had, but also distinctly not at the same level as the Jr and US Title matches from this show. Cody bouncing off that table was pretty wild. I thought the post-match angle was very well done too. G.O.D. have felt like a very stale act this year, and this really makes them about 100% more interesting. I assume that Fale and Ishimori will be joining up with them as well (and I'm sort of surprised that Yujiro isn't on their side). Glad that I waited to submit my G1 Pick 'Ems...at one point I had a scenario mapped out where Tama Tonga only earned 2 points, and that obviously would've been very wrong.

Re: Strong Style Spirit - New Japan catch all thread

Posted: Sun Jul 08, 2018 6:51 am
by packerman120
Juice vs. White was one of the best matches I've seen all year, and will end up on my top 10. A unique match for 2018, White locked up best heel for me with his performance. Crowd hated him and ate up everything he did, and Juice is the best valient babyface along. Everything worked for them, and they finally paid off the Juice story. It's rare to see heat like White had, and it made this match an easy MOTYC.

Re: Strong Style Spirit - New Japan catch all thread

Posted: Sun Jul 08, 2018 1:35 pm
by BoxingRobes
Any show with four 4*+ matches is a great, successful show.

I don't think anything popped into MotYC territory, but the latter half of the show was quite good.

Juice Robinson working that quality of a match with the broken hand was incredibly impressive. Him winning the US Title was one of the few mark out moments I've had in a long time. Was that moment when a guy who bet on himself finally was able to cash in that ticket. Awesome.

Speaking of betting on themselves...CODY...he doesn't want to work this high end style, so to get to that 4*+ realm you need to start getting gimmicky...but it works for Cody...and this guy is going to main event the top two non-WWE drawing shows of 2018. Might even be more than that...its pretty incredible. With that said...he has grown bell-to-bell so much...he used to be a walking 2* special, and he's now a guy that has raised his workrate exponentially. He hasn't had a DUD in a long time.

Re: Strong Style Spirit - New Japan catch all thread

Posted: Fri Jul 13, 2018 3:51 am
by Frank Olson
The Suzuki/Okada match from Suzuki's 30th Anniversary show went up on New Japan World recently. It's a really interesting match with a great atmosphere due to the rainstorm happening during the bout. The rain limits their mobility and causes both wrestlers to slip and slide on the mat at different points, which is something I don't think I've seen before. It isn't as good as their G1 match last year, but it's a lot of fun and well worth a watch.

I really enjoyed both Strong Style Evolved UK shows as well. I suppose you could argue that the shows felt more like glorified Global Wars shows than they did like true New Japan shows, and I do feel sorry for anyone who bought a ticket hoping to see LIJ or Omega or Tanahashi, but I thought that the CHAOS vs. Suzukigun story was pretty compelling, as was the smaller story of New Japan undercard guys vs. the stars of the European wrestling scene.

I really enjoyed WALTER's matches with Yuji Nagata and Yujiro. It was really inspired booking to put WALTER in there with those two opponents. The simple story of WALTER's chops vs. Nagata's kicks worked really well, as did the similarly simple story of WALTER just beating the shit out of slimy pimp Yujiro.

The Great O-Kharn gimmick is cheesy as hell, but I kind of enjoy it. It seems more like it belongs in early '90s WCW than in modern Rev Pro or New Japan, but I find it kind of endearing when these Young Lions have to adapt awkwardly to these goofy gimmicks. I imagine that Oka, being a notoriously big anime nerd, is probably having some fun playing this part. The gimmick is definitely a work in progress, but I think that adopting this over the top persona might ultimately bring Oka out of his shell a bit and help him connect with crowds in the long run. I like the backbreaker/claw to the face combination that he's using. I do think that if his nickname is going to be "The Dominator" he shouldn't be letting his opponents get in so much offense though. Anyway, I'm very curious to see where this excursion takes Oka. They mentioned on commentary that he'll be in England for the summer, but I wonder if he'll wind up in ROH or somewhere else after that, and I'm also curious to see if he keeps this gimmick when he returns to New Japan.

I thought that Ospreay vs. Kanemaru was surprisingly the best match on these shows. They had a good one during Best of the Super Juniors, but this was a big step up. Kanemaru seemed to be really motivated by being in the semi-main event spot, and he definitely stepped his game up here. I haven't seen his work from the glory days of NOAH, but this was easily the best performance I've seen from him since he's been in New Japan.

Another really good match that might have flown a bit under the radar is Jay White vs. Mark Davis, which is a rare match where a big botch (Davis slipping off the top rope) actually benefited the match and perfectly played into the story the match was telling and into White's gimmick as a remorseless opportunist.

Re: Strong Style Spirit - New Japan catch all thread

Posted: Mon Jul 16, 2018 8:24 pm
by Garuda
I have a challenge for someone more NJPW-smart then I:

I'm watching this Suzuki/Makabe G1 match and really enjoying it. Makabe always gives you like two G1 matches and one non-G1 match a year that's really good, and then the rest of his stuff is in the two-star range.

Someone show me the best match of Togi Makabe's career. He's boring but I've always kind of liked what he puts down. There has to be one match somewhere in his younger days where he killed it, and I'd like to see him at the peak of his potential.

Also, unrelated, I know Suzuki's Gotch piledriver is like his super finisher, but am I alone in thinking that he's been able to get it off less and less this past year? After that Makabe match I've gotten the impression that they're deliberately telling the story that he's, in his age, less able to pull it off.

EDIT: Also shit he lost again, and to Makabe. I wonder if he rallies Gedo-style or if they're actually telling the too-old-for-G1 story with Suzuki this time. Seems unlikely though... right?

Re: Strong Style Spirit - New Japan catch all thread

Posted: Mon Jul 16, 2018 9:00 pm
by thecubsfan
Am I remembering correctly that - after Kenny tried to recruit Jay White to the Bullet Club and that went badly - that there was a press room conversation between Scrull and Tama Tonga where Tama suggested the problem was the wrong person asked White? That seemed like a seed of Tama vs Omega but maybe it's not the only seed they were planting.

This is mostly to say that an Oceanic Club of 1) Fale 2) Tonga 3) Loa is iffy at best, but one with 1) White 2) Fale 3) Tonga seems more workable, concludes the tension between White and the rest of the group and focuses GOD on the tag titles instead of Tama being in singles feuds.

Re: Strong Style Spirit - New Japan catch all thread

Posted: Mon Jul 16, 2018 9:08 pm
by Ferrante207
It's too bad the mighty don't kneel couldn't get out of NXT to be the juniors in said oceanic club.

Re: Strong Style Spirit - New Japan catch all thread

Posted: Tue Jul 17, 2018 3:10 am
by Buzz Sawyer
RIP Masa Saito.

Re: Strong Style Spirit - New Japan catch all thread

Posted: Thu Jul 19, 2018 9:46 am
by SamoKuma
I am a bit surprised, after listening many podcast this past week, of reactions about Elgin. He suceeds in gettin reaction, is in amazing shape, do a great job in the ring... yet he s constantly seen as if he were in the same level than the past year, which i dont think its the the case.

I do not exchange one box of elgin against two of evil, by example.

Re: Strong Style Spirit - New Japan catch all thread

Posted: Sat Jul 21, 2018 7:42 pm
by Tim_dawg
New Japan contracts are normally up in January right? When the time comes I have a feeling WWE will offer contracts to literally every single free agent just to fuck them over for running MSG on WrestleMania weekend. Same with ROH, I have a feeling everybody is getting an offer, and probally a huge one.