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Re: Strong Style Spirit - New Japan catch all thread

Post by BackLash » Sun Feb 12, 2017 7:48 am

Sapporo
- Oka looked solid but he's got ways to go.
- Good on Yoshi-Hashi getting that singles win. Aside from that, Iizuka was just kinda blah.
- Lol Taguchi
- RPG Vice & Taka/Taichi had a fine match for the Jr. Tags, not either team's best but passable.
- Goto vs. Juice was beautiful in its brutality, made Juice look like a badass in defeat and Goto a credible champion.
- Was great to see K.E.S. back for a decent match. Though, I'm starting to get tired of Yano's tricks and Ishii being wasted.
- Okada vs. Suzuki was fun, I loved that limb work the entire match. Divisive as it was, I had a ball.

Road 2 Korakuen Hall
- Same stuff I said about Oka above. He and Henare had a good opener, I can't wait til they get good.
- Sucks for Despy to be out with the flu, but hey more Taka for me.
- Loved the elimination matches, so much chaos (no pun intended) it was great fun.
- Lol Taguchi.

Osaka
- Taka putting on a clinic and he ALSO has the flu? Dude is my hero.
- I'm going to miss Yoshitatsu, I know he's more talented than people give him credit for (well he was before the injury), but the last 10 years of his life has been nothing but brief hope spots broken up by long periods of humiliation. I hope in CMLL, he can get a gimmick, get in shape and get over. It worked for Hiromu and Naito. Heck, it worked for Mark Jindrak.
- Kanemaru getting these singles wins may lead him to a Jr. title shot down the line.
- Lol Taguchi Japan
- For 2x NEVER 6-Man champs, for as awesome and talented as they are, SANADA, BUSHI, and EVIL are underrated.
- Shibata and Ospreay, was fantastic, it worked on every conceivable level.A little disappointed Will didn't win, but if this means New Japan will use the kid to his full potential now, I'm all for it. As for Shibata, dude is amazing.
- Get well soon Archer.
- Iizuka was better here, but it didn't matter because it was practically the same match otherwise. The Yano and Ishii as a tag team is lame and they can't lose those titles soon enough.
- Lee and Takahasi nearly killed eachother in their match and it was much appreciated. Fantastic acrobatic action. I really hope Dragon Lee stays awhile.
- Dang Taguchi!
- Naito and Elgin in an awesome main event with a little bit of everything. Air attacks, feats of strength, stiff shots and plenty of suspense. It actually kept me guessing until the very end and what an ending it was. Great chemestry from both Naito and Elgin. Great Show

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Re: Strong Style Spirit - New Japan catch all thread

Post by Tigerkinney » Sun Feb 12, 2017 10:07 am

suplexberry wrote: There's kind of a four pole spectrum when it comes to Taguchi, where the vertical ends are boring and exciting, and the horizontal ones are serious and funny. He can be funny and devastatingly boring - like the whole Omega feud, much as I don't like to think about it (didn't help that Omega wasn't motivated to do his best work as a junior). He can be serious and exciting (last year's BOSJ), but he can also be funny and exciting (recent performances at smaller shows, come at me), or serious and kind of boring. Right now it's looking like his title contendership is going to be serious and exciting. I like the idea that these veterans can goof around and then turn on a dime and have younger guys tapping out to their finishers.
I sort of had a feeling Taguchi would be Hiromu's next challenger, due to all the interaction he's been having lately with L.I.J. and I too am looking forward to the match, where as say a year ago, I would have been 'Taguchi, WTF?!' I think what really helped was the BOSJ run to the finals last year, it re-positioned him as someone who could be taken seriously again as a threat, where as coming into that tournament he was perceived as being nothing more than a lower card comedy act.

The interesting thing is that he's decided to stay a goofball after last years BOSJ but now fans know that he still has it in him to wrestle like he cares, instead of just going out there doing ass attacks the entire match plus he's also developed the character to be this sort of troll like character that tries to get under the skin of his rivals. In writing that description sounds kind of heelish but his randomness is so silly plus his targets for mockery are generally always heels that he's definitely 100% a babyface in the eyes of the fans.

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Re: Strong Style Spirit - New Japan catch all thread

Post by Speedy Bellerin » Sun Feb 12, 2017 7:08 pm

Wow what a main event. An abosolute tour de force. Micheal Elgin put on a career defining performance and Naito was the perfect foil. Big Mike brought all his frustration to Osaka and made it Naitos problem. Brilliant stuff.

I'm going ****3/4 the only reason it isn't all give is because I had to think about it.

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Re: Strong Style Spirit - New Japan catch all thread

Post by suplexberry » Sun Feb 12, 2017 7:26 pm

Tigerkinney wrote: I sort of had a feeling Taguchi would be Hiromu's next challenger, due to all the interaction he's been having lately with L.I.J. and I too am looking forward to the match, where as say a year ago, I would have been 'Taguchi, WTF?!' I think what really helped was the BOSJ run to the finals last year, it re-positioned him as someone who could be taken seriously again as a threat, where as coming into that tournament he was perceived as being nothing more than a lower card comedy act.

The interesting thing is that he's decided to stay a goofball after last years BOSJ but now fans know that he still has it in him to wrestle like he cares, instead of just going out there doing ass attacks the entire match plus he's also developed the character to be this sort of troll like character that tries to get under the skin of his rivals. In writing that description sounds kind of heelish but his randomness is so silly plus his targets for mockery are generally always heels that he's definitely 100% a babyface in the eyes of the fans.
You put it better than I could, really; he's a goofball not because he can't go for broke with the best of the youngsters, but because it's his nature and part of his wiliness to know he can do that, and then when it counts, like a tournament or a title shot, he can be serious and determined. I feel like he has re-invented himself a lot in the past 12 months. It helps that there's new characters in the fold like LIJ he can poke fun at, that strangely doesn't take anything away from LIJ themselves.

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Re: Strong Style Spirit - New Japan catch all thread

Post by Joe Lanza » Sun Feb 12, 2017 8:43 pm

Remember, New Japan wanted Taguchi to go to heavyweight years ago and he chose not to.

Not everyone is overly ambitious. He seems like a happy guy, a goofball enjoying life who doesn't take wrestling super serious. He probably doesn't care about being some great wrestler or huge star, but he's capable enough to step up when asked.

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Re: Strong Style Spirit - New Japan catch all thread

Post by BoxingRobes » Sun Feb 12, 2017 9:22 pm

Joe Lanza wrote:Remember, New Japan wanted Taguchi to go to heavyweight years ago and he chose not to.

Not everyone is overly ambitious. He seems like a happy guy, a goofball enjoying life who doesn't take wrestling super serious. He probably doesn't care about being some great wrestler or huge star, but he's capable enough to step up when asked.
Doesn't he do a lot of training with the young boys or am I mistaken?

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Re: Strong Style Spirit - New Japan catch all thread

Post by RobViper13 » Sun Feb 12, 2017 9:26 pm

VelkejBracha wrote:Hello board, just joined after stalking for a while. In this post I would love to give thanks for podcasts on VoW and for all posters here. I can't even express my thanks to you.
Why?
Because you all helped me find something so special as that event I just watched.

I started watching wrestling couple of weeks after last year's Royal Rumble. I think it was thanks to Wrestling isn't wrestling by Max Landis I went out of my way to find something to watch on torrents and so on. I was on anti-depression medication so I was just laying around my home, not being able to do anything really. I am from Czechia and when I was growing up we had something called socialism and we were supposed to hate all those imperialistic things from USA. After the Revolution, wrestling never caught on (being fake you know) so I never knew it when I was young. Now, I am pushing my mid thirties and I am squeeky new fan.

By finding podcasts, boards, articles and so on I found so many beautiful things. And having just watched New Beginning in Osaka I would love to thank this site for finding NJPW and subbing to it. I can't imagine better start for the weekend then watching this and just jumping in joy during last three matches (not counting tag match, I went shopping for my lunch, came back and it was still on for some fucking useless reason).

What I just watched is telling me, I have to go to Tokyo next year in January. I want to be there and I want to enjoy it live. It will be my first live wrestling and it will be worth every penny.
This is my favorite post ever on this board.
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Re: Strong Style Spirit - New Japan catch all thread

Post by PKThree » Sun Feb 12, 2017 9:32 pm

Joe Lanza wrote:Remember, New Japan wanted Taguchi to go to heavyweight years ago and he chose not to.

Not everyone is overly ambitious. He seems like a happy guy, a goofball enjoying life who doesn't take wrestling super serious. He probably doesn't care about being some great wrestler or huge star, but he's capable enough to step up when asked.
He also suffered a career threatening injury a few years back. He probably got a lot of perspective on both life and his career then.

Wrestling careers can end up real short. Might as well enjoy it.

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Re: Strong Style Spirit - New Japan catch all thread

Post by packerman120 » Sun Feb 12, 2017 9:43 pm

My oh my, Naito vs. Elgin was pure insanity. It was one of those matches where I just couldn't believe either man was still in it. It was just... wow. Holy s***t, what a match. I have to think about it, but there's a chance that that could be my MOTY at year end. Just a wonderful match. I love New Japan.

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Re: Strong Style Spirit - New Japan catch all thread

Post by Joe Lanza » Sun Feb 12, 2017 10:34 pm

BoxingRobes wrote:
Joe Lanza wrote:Remember, New Japan wanted Taguchi to go to heavyweight years ago and he chose not to.

Not everyone is overly ambitious. He seems like a happy guy, a goofball enjoying life who doesn't take wrestling super serious. He probably doesn't care about being some great wrestler or huge star, but he's capable enough to step up when asked.
Doesn't he do a lot of training with the young boys or am I mistaken?
Not that I recall but it's entirely possible. I do remember him Tweeting A LOT about Yohei Komatsu so who knows.

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Re: Strong Style Spirit - New Japan catch all thread

Post by Frank Olson » Sun Feb 12, 2017 11:06 pm

I've been surprised that so much of the discussion about yesterday's show is focused on the Naito/Elgin main event. It was a terrific main event, but for me the highlights of the show were Shibata vs. Ospreay and Hiromu vs. Dragon Lee.

Shibata and Ospreay was a very unique and innovative match. There were a bunch of spots that I don't think I've ever seen before, like when Ospreay did that back roll on the outer mat to sneak past Shibata, or when Shibata did that headlock suplex, or when Ospreay did that firemen's carry thing with Shibata in the most awesome escape from the 20 count ever. (Although I feel like we all deserve a clarification on whether titles can change hands on a countout in New Japan - I've heard conflicting things about that rule). I don't know if there's anybody out there who still thinks that Shibata is just a guy who hits really hard, or that Ospreay is just a flippy spot monkey, but if there is they are wrong. Those guys are absolutely elite workers who are experts at creating dynamic matches with a huge variety of opponents. After this match, his match with Matt Riddle, and his WK match with Goto I would think that Shibata has to be considered a (very early) candidate for Most Outstanding in 2017.

If the Best of the Super Juniors match between Ospreay and Ricochet was the ultimate display of acrobatics in modern professional wrestling then I would say that the Hiromu vs. Dragon Lee match is the ultimate display of death defying high risk offense in modern pro wrestling. I do not understand how Dragon Lee isn't paralyzed after this match. I know that some people will probably be upset about how reckless these two are with their bodies, but fuck that - these guys are pros and this match was an absolutely incredible spectacle. It truly felt like these guys were trying to kill each other, which is great to see in the latest match in a long-running blood feud. Also the moment when Dragon Lee's mask came off was absolutely perfectly timed. I also loved Hiromu coming out before the match with that necklace of ripped Dragon Lee masks. As big a fan as I am of KUSHIDA (he might be my favorite current wrestler) I have to say that it feels like Hiromu is really taking the Junior Title to a level that the past few champions weren't able to.

The main event between Elgin and Naito was great, but for me it was distinctly in third place behind those other matches. I was actually slightly disappointed that they worked the match around Elgin's knee again, since we'd already seen them do that in the G1 and at Destruction. But even though I didn't feel like it was as spectacular or as innovative as the British or Junior Title matches it was still an excellent main event. Was that the first ever kick out of the Destino?

It's really incredible that New Japan can put together a card with three standout matches like that, especially a month after the ridiculously awesome four-match closing stretch at Wrestle Kingdom. I know that there are people who are tired of hearing about how awesome New Japan is, but I just can't conceive of any other promotion putting together cards of this caliber. This company is on a roll.

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Re: Strong Style Spirit - New Japan catch all thread

Post by Frank Olson » Sun Feb 12, 2017 11:15 pm

Joe Lanza wrote:Remember, New Japan wanted Taguchi to go to heavyweight years ago and he chose not to.

Not everyone is overly ambitious. He seems like a happy guy, a goofball enjoying life who doesn't take wrestling super serious. He probably doesn't care about being some great wrestler or huge star, but he's capable enough to step up when asked.
This is a good example why I don't really understand the “Gedo only cares about Okada” argument. It really seems like everybody on the roster has been perfectly placed for the past year or so, and they've all been given a chance to step up and shine when the time is right. Taguchi is a great example of that. He gets to stand out and be himself with his wacky comedy stuff when it's time for him to be in the prelim tag matches, but when he's called upon he can produce Match of the Year Candidates like he did with Ospreay in last year's BOSJ finals. New Japan has been really great in recent times at highlighting the strengths of just about everybody on the roster and putting them in the place on the hierarchy where they will be most likely to succeed.

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Re: Strong Style Spirit - New Japan catch all thread

Post by throwstuff165 » Sun Feb 12, 2017 11:52 pm

At this point, the "Gedo only cares about Okada" argument is really just the "I don't like Okada" argument. Anyone looking at NJPW objectively knows how untrue it is.

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Re: Strong Style Spirit - New Japan catch all thread

Post by suplexberry » Mon Feb 13, 2017 5:26 am

I know a part of why Hiromu and Dragon Lee do the things they do together is just the idiocy of youth, but I also think after 14 matches together, over a span of what, 2 years, these guys have an incredible amount of trust in one another. I know Hiromu does death-defying shit in a match against guys he's just met (that Trevor Lee match from PWG springs to mind) but with a guy like Dragon Lee he's probably comfortable in pulling out all the stops, especially in front of a huge crowd at an important event. I know some people will be turned off by the extremeness of these stunts, and that's fair enough, but I personally just saw it as proof of how special this rivalry is, not just in terms of pace, chemistry, but also that they can trust each other to do these things.

Hiromu is hopefully being built up for a rematch with KUSHIDA. Dominion maybe? I'm not sure if the plan with Hiromu is to give him a great junior run so he can move to heavyweights, or if he's going to become KUSHIDA's ever-rival.

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Re: Strong Style Spirit - New Japan catch all thread

Post by VelkejBracha » Mon Feb 13, 2017 12:05 pm

Thanks everyone for the welcome, it's much appreciated. I will probably just lurk around some more, I love reading opinions and I have problem in explaining points in English, especially how I feel or what I think about something.

Anyway - I've never been to wrestling show (last month I learned about some little dingy promotion running some towns in Czechia...) and I almost went during fall to England to some Rev Pro show. But I decided, it's just too much money for one evening (basically I make around 10.000 dollars a year, not bad in here, but everywhere else it sucks). So I wanted to go to Japan for quite a while, being anime nerd in my teens and now I have a real reason.

I get to watch Kenny Omega, Naito, Tanahashi and Okada on the biggest stage of the year. For my first live wrestling ever. You can't imagine how much I am looking to it.

Only other promotion besides NJPW I watch is WWE, first thing I did when I started was binge whole NXT during those dark ugly 3 weeks. It was awesome and then it ended and I was out of stuff to watch, then I went through Lucha Underground (torrented of course, can't get it legally here without paying postage that would let me eat for a week in a restaurant). Now I am subbed to NJPW, WWE and thinking when to take vacation time to pay for PROGRESS and binging it as well. Probably in April. Rev Pro probably sometime during summer.

But NJPW is now a priority for me. I will start watching back from day AJ Styles debuted so I have something to watch every weekend.

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