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Re: Strong Style Spirit - New Japan catch all thread

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Re: Strong Style Spirit - New Japan catch all thread

Post by King Of Indy Style » Sat Feb 11, 2017 5:30 am

I wouldn't mind Smith as a NEVER Challenger. It'd be a solid program for Goto, once the Juice stuff is over. Unless they want to put the Juice feud on the backburner.
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Re: Strong Style Spirit - New Japan catch all thread

Post by Joe Lanza » Sat Feb 11, 2017 6:51 am

I fully expect Smith to go singles. This Iizuka thing is to get through the show tonight.

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Re: Strong Style Spirit - New Japan catch all thread

Post by Murrr » Sat Feb 11, 2017 11:59 am

Oh my goodness, what a show. Well worth setting an alarm on a Saturday morning for.

Undercard had a few highlights. Yoshitatsu thinking he could step to Koji was bloody hilarious, I like that Goto/Juice is seemingly continuing, and Trent looked incredible (for what, the fourth show in a row?) in the CHAOS vs. Suzuki-gun match. The NEVER Openweight Six Man was also a lot better than I expected, and I'm hoping the end result is a strong run for LIJ, though I don't really expect it with these belts.

Things started getting great as soon as Shibata and Ospreay got going. I had no idea how Will was going to look against one of NJPW's major heavyweight players but I thought he was fantastic. Some really great spots, a few of which I've never seen before. My favourite was towards the end when Shibata had Will locked in the sleeper, then pulled him overhead with what looked like a sleeper suplex (is that even a thing?), dropped him right on his head, but still held onto the goddamn sleeper! What an inventive match. The only downside is that I felt they cut things a little short, and I was left wanting more from it. Match could have ran another 5 minutes easily, but I hope to see a rematch someday.

Tag title match was fine. I drifted in and out of it. Made a coffee, poured some cereal. Whatever.

Dragon Lee vs. Hiromu was just wonderful. Their feud was a big blank spot for me, as I'd only seen a handful of their matches until a few days ago. Went on a huge binge on Thursday night and consumed as many of their fights as I could, rounding things off with the Fantasticamania bout. My expectations were through the roof, yet somehow they delivered on every level. It's obviously not good for their bodies in the long-run, but I love how disastrous these matches feel. I'm legitimately worried for Hiromu's safety every time he leaves his feet, and Lee is his perfect dance partner. The mask removal spot was expertly timed but holy hell, some of the stuff the pulled-off on the apron and outside. I'm gonna watch this one over and over again. Great goddamn match.

The main event, I feel, might be the best match I have ever seen from either man. Absolutely blown away by it.

Here's the thing: I am a gigantic Tetsuya Naito fan. I don't have a list of favourite wrestlers or whatever, but he's regularly jostling with Tomohiro Ishii and Minoru Suzuki for the top spot. The only time I have ever rooted against him was when he fought Ishii last year. The LIJ shirt is one of only two or three tees I'll actually wear in public. I love the guy, love the gimmick, and *always* want to see him win.

Michael Elgin, meanwhile, is a guy I used to straight-up loathe. I always found him ridiculously boring prior to his New Japan debut. The guy just had no fire, no personality, and never really stood out for me in the ring, despite his outrageous power. Something clicked when he reached Japan, and it probably helps that this is where he has always wanted to be, but I found my appreciation for him growing. He looks so much better through the NJPW lens, but while I definitely started liking him a lot more, he became one of those guys who I never got excited about seeing, but knew he'd give me a fun match regardless. I have never rooted for him. Ever.

Within about 10 minutes, this match made me completely flip sides and I was absolutely desperate for Elgin to win by the end. What a great goddamn story they told. This, to me, is exactly what wrestling is all about. Clean, clinical work is all well and good, but if you can't make me feel something, I'm not all that interested.

This was just a beautiful wrestling match and just typing these words about it is getting me fired up. Elgin's leg selling was ridiculously on-point, and really helped me buy into his struggle. So many of those near-falls had me absolutely duped, particularly the Elgin Bomb towards the end, but at no point did I think they were overdoing it. An absolute masterclass in building tension, then releasing in the most satisfying way possible.

An outstanding trio of matches. This fucking company, man...

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Re: Strong Style Spirit - New Japan catch all thread

Post by JB Gremlin » Sat Feb 11, 2017 12:12 pm

What a great show. Other than the three way tag everything was good and all the big matches delivered.

Ospreay/ Shibata ****
Takahashi/ Dragon Lee ****1/2
Naito/ Elgin ****1/2

I'd love to see another Ospreay Shibata match, it was excellent but felt like they really only scratched the surface of what they could do together, great showing and the finish was superb.

Takahashi and Lee must have some sort of bet on who can kill themselves first, surely? It's come to something when the two insane Canadian Destroyer spots look like two of the safest bumps in the match, just crazy fun. I'm really looking forward to the Taguchi match too, it should give Takahashi the chance to do something different from this and the KUSHIDA match.

I had the exact same reaction to the Naito/ Elgin match in the G1, I was really enjoying it for a bit and then all of a sudden they jumped up a gear and it was outstanding from then on out, is Elgin the best big man at taking the poison Rana? It looked crazy, Elgin's selling was great and Naito was really great here, I think I might have preferred this to his Dome match and it's bang up there in contention for number 2 on MOTY at the moment. Not sure where Elgin goes from here, I still like the idea of him finding a tag partner and trying to reinvigorate that division although I suspect he'll be cycled down until G1 time now.

My one negative on the show would be the continued increase of ref bumps and associated foolishness, I really don't need it in every other match.

The two New Beginning shows had four ****+ matches for me plus 2 ***3/4 (Both NEVER title matches) that is excellent going compared to the last few years where the tour has been a bit of a step behind. Not to mention the fact that they did that without: Omega, KUDHISA, Ishii, Honma, SANADA, EVIL, Tanahashi and The Young Bucks (And Tiger Mask W) contributing to any of the big programs. The company has a ridiculous roster right now.

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Re: Strong Style Spirit - New Japan catch all thread

Post by suplexberry » Sat Feb 11, 2017 12:20 pm

Holy fuck.

Sure, the tag matches were just tag matches (including the kind of awkward threeway for the belts, which built up fine towards the end but never particularly grabbed me) but those top three singles matches all delivered huge. I loved Ospreay vs Shibata - so perfectly showcased both of their styles, I loved how Shibata completely wowed the commentary by showing off his "Lancashire style" skills, and Ospreay is just so good. He still continues to do things that make me ask my TV, "WHAT WAS THAT" but he's also getting better and better at psychology and facial expressions.

Hiromu vs Dragon Lee was incredible. If they never do anything together but exchange headlocks they'll have earned it. I am so into Taguchi challenging because a) it means a longer title reign for Hiromu until KUSHIDA gets to him again and b) Taguchi is nuts, Hiromu is nuts, they're just very different brands of nuts. This will be awesome.

Fantastic main event, too. I loved how Osaka simultaneously chanted for Naito but also booed him whenever he was in control of the match. This is the weirdest relationship between a wrestler and a city and it's so cool. Elgin didn't lose much by losing. I think he just became a strong contender for the Cup, actually, but considering Naito put him in it as well, who knows which way it might go. Omega vs Elgin final? Naito vs Omega final? Considering Naito was ready to match with Okada despite still holding the IC belt, I feel like almost anything is possible.

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Re: Strong Style Spirit - New Japan catch all thread

Post by VelkejBracha » Sat Feb 11, 2017 12:23 pm

Hello board, just joined after stalking for a while. In this post I would love to give thanks for podcasts on VoW and for all posters here. I can't even express my thanks to you.
Why?
Because you all helped me find something so special as that event I just watched.

I started watching wrestling couple of weeks after last year's Royal Rumble. I think it was thanks to Wrestling isn't wrestling by Max Landis I went out of my way to find something to watch on torrents and so on. I was on anti-depression medication so I was just laying around my home, not being able to do anything really. I am from Czechia and when I was growing up we had something called socialism and we were supposed to hate all those imperialistic things from USA. After the Revolution, wrestling never caught on (being fake you know) so I never knew it when I was young. Now, I am pushing my mid thirties and I am squeeky new fan.

By finding podcasts, boards, articles and so on I found so many beautiful things. And having just watched New Beginning in Osaka I would love to thank this site for finding NJPW and subbing to it. I can't imagine better start for the weekend then watching this and just jumping in joy during last three matches (not counting tag match, I went shopping for my lunch, came back and it was still on for some fucking useless reason).

What I just watched is telling me, I have to go to Tokyo next year in January. I want to be there and I want to enjoy it live. It will be my first live wrestling and it will be worth every penny.

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Re: Strong Style Spirit - New Japan catch all thread

Post by Rainmaker_F7 » Sat Feb 11, 2017 12:39 pm

Really good show from top to bottom, with probably best non-WK back to back matches I've seen in a looong time.

Hiromu vs Lee was just a fucking insane spotfest. Loved this more than any CMLL match & ROH/Fantasticamania matches too. It had a big match feel, both guys were tremendous as well. Takahashi carries himself like a superstar, he should be the Junior champ forever. Loved the mask spot, but really the whole match was incredible. **** 3/4

I was blown away by the main event. What a fucking match. 5 star match without a doubt. The leg work was awesome, the story was just so great (Naito having to attack the leg & do the eye rake everytime Elgin got any offense), and the last 10 minutes or so were just so unbelievable. This was very much like Naito vs Omega; you expect this to be awesome and it's really good to some point, but then they get to the next level and at the end it turns out to be classic. *****.

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Re: Strong Style Spirit - New Japan catch all thread

Post by steve » Sat Feb 11, 2017 12:57 pm

The really best thing about New Japan, that they deliver again and again is how I watch the Shibata / Ospreay match and I love it and I'm happy if that is the high point of the show. Then Hiromu and Lee put on just an amazing show and I feel like I've had 2 super matches for my money and time and I'm super happy. And then the main event goes and tops those.

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Re: Strong Style Spirit - New Japan catch all thread

Post by Jacob's Bawks » Sat Feb 11, 2017 1:33 pm

Everybody's pretty much saying what I think of the uppercard, so to avoid being redundant I'm gonna give some thoughts on the undercard and some developments:

Yoshitatsu sucks, but he showed a lot of fire tonight that somewhat made up for his usual clunkiness. I don't know when his farewell match with Kojima happens, but I'm oddly legitimately interested in it. Kanemaru is another one showing a good deal of fire. It sucks he's teaming with Taichi now, but I expect he will do a really good job unlike some others. Trent and Rocky were on fire yet again.

I'd accept another Juice/Goto match, but I'm not psyched about it possibly happening again this soon. They did good, but not THAT good.

LIdJ/Taguchi Japan was good fun and got surprisingly heated during the end despite the goofy opening. I'm glad Taguchi is freed of these and is now challenging Hiromu. It'll be a step down from the last few Hiromu matches, but the ceiling is still high and it's a fresh challenger instead of KUSHIDA/Ospreay/BUSHI getting yet another title shot.

Naito being in the NJ Cup is... unexpected. Of course, we won't know until they actually announce the brackets. They could leave him out and he'll complain about the company not listening to him again. Though if he's in, it'd be nice to set up a future IC challenger whenever he gets eliminated. I just don't see him winning and them doing a dual-title match. I have no ideas on who challenges next other than I hope it's not Tana who gets the shot just yet. That should be saved for Dominion if they're going that route.
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Re: Strong Style Spirit - New Japan catch all thread

Post by PKThree » Sat Feb 11, 2017 1:46 pm

Taguchi vs Hiromu will be very interesting since no way Gooch will let Hiromu do half of the insane stuff he's done against Kushida and Lee. Hiromu is going to have to play after another man's playbook here which will be interesting to see how he adapts.

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Re: Strong Style Spirit - New Japan catch all thread

Post by JB Gremlin » Sat Feb 11, 2017 2:13 pm

I'm thinking it might be Shibata next for Naito, they have the G1 win in their back pocket if they wanted to use that instead of the NJC and I can't imagine Shibata is going to be defending the rev pro title on a regular basis so that would make perfect sense to me.

I agree about Goto/ Juice as well actually. I don't HATE them doing it again but I wouldn't rush to it (which it seems like they're going to) I'm sure it will be a good match but are people going to buy into Juice more because of the last match and today's tag win?

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Re: Strong Style Spirit - New Japan catch all thread

Post by Empiresk » Sat Feb 11, 2017 2:37 pm

Wow, if you skip out that forgettable 3 way Tag Title match, those three singles matches are on par with the closing stretch of WK10 in my eyes. And that was with many of their top stars buried in the undercard in multimans. Undercard was fine, preferred Sapporo though, but the three singles matches make this a Show of the Year contender.

The Rev Pro Title has been featured for like 2 months in New Japan in those two months it feels ten times as important as the ROH title that has been on for 2 years. Ospreay was elevated so much in defeat almost to the point I feel he could slide into the Heavyweight division right now. Brilliant match that shows why many people had Will on their Most Outstanding Ballot for 2016. Demonstrated that he is much more than just an elite high flyer. There was a counter on the outside where he flipped off the apron with his own back that I have never seen before where my jaw dropped. Loved this match. ****1/2

I have see all of the Hiromu/Kamaitachi vs Dragon Lee matches thanks to Cubsfan but I believe this was the best of the lot. At times, it felt like a greatest hit performance, but it developed into one the most unreal, brutal car crashes of a match I have ever scene where I thought Dragon Lee could have broken his neck multiple times. That leg hooked, top rope to the outside belly to belly from Hiromu was disgustingly brilliant. I feel that not many people bought Dragon Lee winning hurt that match a little and would have loved a Phoenix-plex tease or two, but the match was insane. ****3/4

I went for a full ***** on the main event. Absolutely loved this match and I cannot find a flaw in it. It felt like they hit top gear very quickly and somehow managed to keep an incredible pace for such a long period of time. The fact that it kept on escalating on top of this makes it an all time great imo. Elgin vs Naito is almost becoming a rivalry that on the sly is turning into a match up that should almost be revered as to the Hiromu vs Dragon Lee match up. The crowd was red hot ten minutes in and by the time it was finishing up it was molten. Elgin looked a beast and yet again another guy who looks great in defeat. If Elgin keeps up his New Japan form, I believe he can possibly go toe to toe with Omega as a guy to feature on the North American expansion. He doesn't have the star power or charisma but he can easily be the work horse. The Burning Hammer tease was excellent and I feel this could be used like Omega not hitting the One Winged Angel on Okada. I cannot wait to see them meet again.

The New Japan Cup usually doesn't feel that important to me in the grand scheme of things, but with Bullet Club and Omega returning, Naito entering and potentially Tiger Mask W/Ibushi returning it makes it a must watch. New Japan knock it out of the park again.

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Post by DETROIT_KEJB » Sat Feb 11, 2017 4:03 pm

So is Taguchi a heel? Callus was awful during that whole segment. He was killing it for me.

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Re: Strong Style Spirit - New Japan catch all thread

Post by mrjoshdude » Sat Feb 11, 2017 4:59 pm

VelkejBracha wrote:Hello board, just joined after stalking for a while. In this post I would love to give thanks for podcasts on VoW and for all posters here. I can't even express my thanks to you.
Why?
Because you all helped me find something so special as that event I just watched.

I started watching wrestling couple of weeks after last year's Royal Rumble. I think it was thanks to Wrestling isn't wrestling by Max Landis I went out of my way to find something to watch on torrents and so on. I was on anti-depression medication so I was just laying around my home, not being able to do anything really. I am from Czechia and when I was growing up we had something called socialism and we were supposed to hate all those imperialistic things from USA. After the Revolution, wrestling never caught on (being fake you know) so I never knew it when I was young. Now, I am pushing my mid thirties and I am squeeky new fan.

By finding podcasts, boards, articles and so on I found so many beautiful things. And having just watched New Beginning in Osaka I would love to thank this site for finding NJPW and subbing to it. I can't imagine better start for the weekend then watching this and just jumping in joy during last three matches (not counting tag match, I went shopping for my lunch, came back and it was still on for some fucking useless reason).

What I just watched is telling me, I have to go to Tokyo next year in January. I want to be there and I want to enjoy it live. It will be my first live wrestling and it will be worth every penny.
Glad to have you here! Always makes me happy to see wrestling bring someone happiness. What are the companies you're currently following?

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