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Re: Breaking News: NOAH acquired by Japanese IT Firm

Post by ayaashm » Wed Nov 02, 2016 3:00 pm

jesse wrote:Uchida reportedly tried to get Kidani to buy All Japan at one point so don't be so naive to think that Kidani had no idea or didn't help facilitate a deal even. Marufuji not being on the board anymore is not a shocking thing to me. There's been whispers for quite a while now all he wanted to do was concentrate on wrestling again.

NOAH isn't profitable at all and they haven't been for a long time. They were losing money hand over fist even when KENTA was still there.

When they started working with New Japan that's when NOAH stopped working with the smaller companies. If that relationship doesn't continue NOAH is in a very rough spot because DDT, Big Japan, All Japan and W-1 have their own little collation and there's only so many dates these people can work. Not to mention they were already burned by NOAH once. NOAH's roster is so small as it is that if they take out Suzuki-Gun and say Shiozaki and/or Marufuji they're up a shit creek.

Could you please go into detail a little as to how NOAH burned them before?
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Re: Breaking News: NOAH acquired by Japanese IT Firm

Post by Dragonzombie » Wed Nov 02, 2016 6:20 pm

PKThree wrote:
Dragonzombie wrote:Uchida is very smart. All titles, contracts, staff, Noah's name are bought. Whatever this means for Go, Kanemaru, Suzuki Gun members remains to be seen. Uchida vows to reconstruct Noah into a profitable company again. Hinting at return to origin with Misawa's pic in the back.

Now if there's wrestlers jumping ship, now is the time to do so, considering they have money now and a backer now. Man was also close to Mutoh and has ties to Nagata.

Booking might also change certainly.
Was he really close to Mutoh tho? As Strigga and Dylan pointed out on the Eastern Lariat. Mutoh did not exactly rush to bring him into the fold in Wrestle-1.

And Uchida was the guy who tried to get a crosspromotional angle with the WWE going along with some other things, which was why Shiraishi fired him.
Uchida was responsible for the good turn of business and signings for his stint in Ajpw. He left due to not liking Nobuo mma ideals and was later seen with the wrestle-1 crew but left to run non wrestling companies.


Various sites in japan and insiders say Noah was reported to be in bankruptcy and was going to close down if they didn't get a buyer. BushiRoad only controlled Merch and goods sales and gaijin and outsider contracts.

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Re: Breaking News: NOAH acquired by Japanese IT Firm

Post by Joe Lanza » Wed Nov 02, 2016 7:10 pm

Somebody needs to explain to me why Uchida has a good rep in his wrestling dealings, because on the surface I'm not seeing it. AJPW wasn't exactly setting the world on fire when he had his hands in it. I'm open minded to it and legitimately asking.

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Post by Dragonzombie » Wed Nov 02, 2016 7:18 pm

Uchida signed many bigger names, attendance increased, changed the booking to fit modern style. At one point Ajpw was doing ok and Noah was doing worse but then Nobuo ruined it all.

Nobuo was told to buy Ajpw from Uchida's input but he wouldn't just listen and just pay the debt off and pay contracts. He had to put his insane ideas nobody wanted in. So everyone left to go to Wrestle- 1.

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Re: Breaking News: NOAH acquired by Japanese IT Firm

Post by pol » Thu Nov 03, 2016 7:12 am

I'm curious, what are the more inside/rumor-mongering Japanese sites? I only know the ones like DX and Tokyo Sports that seem to be mostly in the pocket of the promotions.

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Post by ChutiyaHogaTeraBaap » Thu Nov 03, 2016 11:34 am

Joe Lanza wrote:Somebody needs to explain to me why Uchida has a good rep in his wrestling dealings, because on the surface I'm not seeing it. AJPW wasn't exactly setting the world on fire when he had his hands in it. I'm open minded to it and legitimately asking.
Its because after Mutoh resigned as president, AJPW attendance began to decline to numbers which may be higher than their current figures, but which at the time were unprecedented. The company was in the RED and in severe needs of funds. At this time, it was Uchida who bailed them out. So, while Uchida may not have a rep of "setting the world on fire", precedence has shown that he is capable saving a dying company. This is what many hope he'll do with NOAH.

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Re: Breaking News: NOAH acquired by Japanese IT Firm

Post by Irving » Fri Nov 04, 2016 12:23 am

The All Japan workers really loved Uchida. That man took over the company when they were in a huge scandal and had no money. He signed Burning, Kenso, and Minoru Tanaka among others and the majority of the roster left due to Shiraishi firing him right when the company had finally turned the corner in 2013.

He saved All Japan, and got screwed and rightfully that left him jaded. He never got fired from W1 because he never officially went.

Muto used Shiraishi firing Uchida as a way to do what he had wanted to do for years which was leave All Japan and start his own group that didn't have to uphold someone else's legacy. Muto wanted that group to be WWE Japan and the fan base left around 2003. It took them years to rebuild and have that booking style accepted but he wanted things like AJ divas or working with porn companies that fans bashed him for.

Those workers were leaving anyway so instead of purchasing All Japan from Shiraishi who inflated the price, Muto took his money and founded W1.

Its ironic though because Uchida negotiated those Burning departures from NOAH and now he owns the group he had a hand in somewhat destroying.

Jun and Uchida are friends and Nakajima wants to work against Miyahara who legit hates Nakajima so I'm sure there will be something next year, but if you ask me, All Japan doesn't need to work with NOAH.

In regards to the WWE thing, Johnny Ace was involved in that as well and they wanted to send younger guys to Japan so Uchida wanted All Japan to be that place especially since WWE would pay for that service. They did get Ric Flair and Kevin Nash and they had to go through WWE to get the okay and I believe that is how those negotiations started but then he got fired.

Either way this is great news for NOAH because the man can get this done for them.

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Post by Danwaka » Fri Nov 04, 2016 7:26 am

Irving wrote:The All Japan workers really loved Uchida. That man took over the company when they were in a huge scandal and had no money. He signed Burning, Kenso, and Minoru Tanaka among others and the majority of the roster left due to Shiraishi firing him right when the company had finally turned the corner in 2013.
Shiraishi footed the bill for Burning though, didn't he? Not like NJPW was gonna grab them up right away, since they worked with NOAH.
Its ironic though because Uchida negotiated those Burning departures from NOAH and now he owns the group he had a hand in somewhat destroying. Jun and Uchida are friends and Nakajima wants to work against Miyahara who legit hates Nakajima so I'm sure there will be something next year, but if you ask me, All Japan doesn't need to work with NOAH.
All Japan vs. NOAH would be a dream company war for me. One of them eating the other to reunify Baba's legacy would also be great.

Also why does Kento Miyahara hate Katsuhiko Nakajima? Something to do with their dojo days?
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Post by Joe Lanza » Fri Nov 04, 2016 8:09 am

Irving wrote:The All Japan workers really loved Uchida. That man took over the company when they were in a huge scandal and had no money. He signed Burning, Kenso, and Minoru Tanaka among others and the majority of the roster left due to Shiraishi firing him right when the company had finally turned the corner in 2013.

He saved All Japan, and got screwed and rightfully that left him jaded. He never got fired from W1 because he never officially went.

Muto used Shiraishi firing Uchida as a way to do what he had wanted to do for years which was leave All Japan and start his own group that didn't have to uphold someone else's legacy. Muto wanted that group to be WWE Japan and the fan base left around 2003. It took them years to rebuild and have that booking style accepted but he wanted things like AJ divas or working with porn companies that fans bashed him for.

Those workers were leaving anyway so instead of purchasing All Japan from Shiraishi who inflated the price, Muto took his money and founded W1.

Its ironic though because Uchida negotiated those Burning departures from NOAH and now he owns the group he had a hand in somewhat destroying.

Jun and Uchida are friends and Nakajima wants to work against Miyahara who legit hates Nakajima so I'm sure there will be something next year, but if you ask me, All Japan doesn't need to work with NOAH.

In regards to the WWE thing, Johnny Ace was involved in that as well and they wanted to send younger guys to Japan so Uchida wanted All Japan to be that place especially since WWE would pay for that service. They did get Ric Flair and Kevin Nash and they had to go through WWE to get the okay and I believe that is how those negotiations started but then he got fired.

Either way this is great news for NOAH because the man can get this done for them.
This was very helpful in clearing up some timeline gaps for me, so thank you.

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Re: Breaking News: NOAH acquired by Japanese IT Firm

Post by PKThree » Fri Nov 04, 2016 9:06 am

Yeah. It was Shiraishi who footed the bills, not Uchida. Since Uchida worked for Shiraishi at the time. Uchida never outright owned the company. He was just the executive in charge for Shiraishi until Shiraishi decided he wanted to do it himself.

@danwaka. Nakajima helpt train Kento for Sasaki and bullied him real bad, basically treated him like shit for years until Kento eventually said screw it and left.

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Post by Danwaka » Fri Nov 04, 2016 9:47 am

PKThree wrote:Yeah. It was Shiraishi who footed the bills, not Uchida. Since Uchida worked for Shiraishi at the time. Uchida never outright owned the company. He was just the executive in charge for Shiraishi until Shiraishi decided he wanted to do it himself.
What I sort of mean is, if Shiraishi could have done the Burning recruitment himself given that he was the money man and NJPW was unlikely to sign them up. It's not a great mark on Uchida that he pulled off the obvious signing.
Nakajima helpt train Kento for Sasaki and bullied him real bad, basically treated him like shit for years until Kento eventually said screw it and left.
Mhm. Could be good for a match, that. Wouldn't mind seeing Kento and Katsuhiko brutalize each other ala Shibata-Shiozaki.

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Post by ayaashm » Fri Nov 04, 2016 10:54 am

Why does Miyahara hate Nakajima? Weren't they together in Kensuke Office? What's the reason for this heat between the two?
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Post by Dreamboat » Fri Nov 04, 2016 11:02 am

ayaashm wrote:Why does Miyahara hate Nakajima? Weren't they together in Kensuke Office? What's the reason for this heat between the two?
From what I've heard Nakajima was very rough on Miyahara in training, to the point of bullying

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Post by ayaashm » Fri Nov 04, 2016 11:22 am

Thank you very much.
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Re: Breaking News: NOAH acquired by Japanese IT Firm

Post by Dragonzombie » Wed Dec 07, 2016 8:01 pm

pol wrote:I'm curious, what are the more inside/rumor-mongering Japanese sites? I only know the ones like DX and Tokyo Sports that seem to be mostly in the pocket of the promotions.
Kakutolog, Black teasure island mag is good for business insider stuff. Also my sources help me, but I don't leak them.

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