Joe Lanza wrote:People are going to focus the the reverse racism line and bash dave, but he's shredding Bix in that debate.
It basically went like this:
Bix - "Butch Reed couldn't be NWA champ because of racism"
dave - "Promoters would push anyone who they felt could make them money."
Bix - "But a lot of promoters were racists who saw blacks as interchangable. Watts tried to replace JYD with George Welles & Snowman."
dave - "That's my point"
Bix - "Watts said & did racist things."
dave - "THAT'S MY POINT"
You didn't misunderstand it as much as Dave did,but you still misunderstood it even though you have a better grasp of Twitter than he does. Also, you both missed my own "Oh, screw it, 140 character limits are stupid" clarification:
This is how the discussion actually went, and I pulled up the tweets to make sure I didn't get anything wrong:
Dave: Race had as much to do with Butch Reed not getting the title as it did with Windham/DiBiase/Brody/Keirn not getting the title.
Me: That's oversimplifying racism in wrestling. Even if Butch Reed could talk like Ric Flair, '80s wrestling promoters weren't going to give the NWA Title to a black guy.
Dave: There's no way of knowing that.
Me: Yes, we do, the n-word was "the business term" for black wrestlers at the time.
Dave: Ignores implications of standardized racism, says money conquered all.
Me: But what does it say for wrestling promoters as a whole when the best one for pushing black guys was a racist who saw them as interchangeable to fill a specific role?
Dave: You've got to be kidding me. Reverse racism. Also, they saw everyone as interchangeable.
Me: But there were no promotions that had a "no more than one white wrestler" rule.
Dave: Somehow thinks the conversation is about Butch Reed even though I was talking about a hypothetical different reason of Reed in the first place to make a larger point AND had moved on.
Me: Again, if the "best" promoter for black wrestlers was a racist/bigot, what does that say about everyone else?
Dave: Fixates on me using the word "liberal" (which I cop to being a fairly big mistake) argues Watts' blind attempts at replacing JYD had nothing to do with racism towards black people even though the definition you get from the most popular search service on earth is (emphasis mine) "the belief that all members of each race possess characteristics or abilities specific to that race
, especially so as to distinguish it as inferior or superior to another race or races."
At this point Dave really starts reading things into my tweets that I didn't put there, and it becomes clear he's putting racism in, primarily, a denial of work and/or service box. That's he doesn't know he's wrong about the boundaries of racism isn't his fault personally, but it distorts the argument. Between that and his Twitter literacy issues, the end result was him saying I accused Watts of denying black wrestlers pushes because of their race, taking "if [Watts, as the promoter who positioned black wrestlers best], at the time, was still a racist, then everyone else sure as hell was racist." as literally as he possible could, and this, where he somehow read my reply to a very specific tweet about Stevie Ray as being about Butch Reed:
The whole thing got distorted by Dave being so on guard as to act like everyone who disagrees with him is trolling (can't really blame him for that, either, given how much trolling he gets) and his issues with deciphering Twitter threading, when someone is doing a multi-part tweet, etc.