Evolve (WWNLive)

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Re: Evolve (WWNLive)

Post by syxxpakk » Sat May 27, 2017 1:09 pm

Yeah, won't be doing FloSlam. I don't even know if I would with PWG involved.
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Re: Evolve (WWNLive)

Post by rovert » Sat May 27, 2017 4:30 pm

Mike Johnson:
So, I can't explain why they raised their rates, but it's pretty obvious that despite some touting the service as being this major industry-changing service, all Floslam was good for was getting WWNLive a really great payday to produce content for them, since they were the first to make a deal with that company. Beyond that, you got me.

Raising the price by 50% when they are already charging more than double of the industry leader looks, to those on the outside, as if Floslam are desperate to create cash and that's a shame, but in my opinion, so has been a lot of what Floslam has done since it was launched.

They've had a pretty haphazard rollout, whether it be the complete absence of any sort of promotion or marketing plan for the service (we have never received ONE press release for the service, think about that), the fact that the staffer in charge was fired almost immediately after launch, the lack of promises kept (such as the rollout of old material, as you pointed out), the fact that VOD versions of the shows include things like dead air from the live broadcasts, etc.

I watch Floslam via a Roku and owned several different Rokus and each one would see the content crash when I played live streams and sometimes, even VOD content. I finally had to give up and buy a new Roku Express in order to have the service work for me. Now, watching wrestling is my job, but imagine if you are a fan who had paid $20 or $30 OR $150 and this keeps happening to you? Plus, it's not like you can use it on a Firestick or a PS4 or any other platform.

Then, you get to the actual interface and it's near impossible to figure out where the shows are, since they are listed as "episodes" and aren't listed in any chronological order. If I wanted to watch every EVOLVE, I'd have to try and figure out where the hell EVOLVE is to begin with. It's easy to find the content that is live but beyond that, you have to search like you are Pitfall Harry in the jungle seeking treasure to find the shows you want to watch. In 2017, it shoudn't be that hard, especially when you are paying for the service.

I think they rushed Floslam to market with no real plan as to how they were going to present it or push it to consumers and assumed, wrongly, that wrestling fans would flock to it just because it existed. They also launched without having any real deals in place, which at the best, was a dumb idea and at worse, may have crippled it right out of the gates. It was the equivalent of launching a jet before you figured out how to build the landing gear. It's out there, it's in the air and uh oh, now what?

A lot of Floslam's launch was hyped up by people who had the best of intentions but in many cases were snowed by the potential of what it could be in a perfect world as opposed to what it really was at launch. I would like to tell you I am surprised by all of this, but I really am not, and this is why.

When they first launched, someone from the service came to me looking to hire me away from PWInsider.com, asking about my interest in running the Floslam service but couldn't (or wouldn't) tell me what the potential salary or responsibilities would be. Right there, my gut was this was not going to be anywhere close to the force some were deluding themselves into believing Floslam was going to be. It seemed far too disorganized and to this day, I have no idea why they even approached me, since no one ever followed up with me. Like I said, haphazard.

There's been lots of stories of indy promotions being approached and after hearing stories, correct or not, about the big payday WWN got, they were surprised at how small the offer was and opted not to take it, considering that promotions like ROH won't allow their talent to work for groups that are on Floslam.

So, it's great indy promotions on Floslam have that platform and hopefully they are getting a nice check for it, but unless Floslam gets their act in order, it's going to be more of the same, and raising the rates to bleed the consumers you want to support you is not the answer. They really need to look at the mistakes they have made, correct them and try to win consumers over by building a better mousetrap. I don't see that as easily happening either, not when you have WWE Network, Highspots Wrestling Network and a slew of indy promotions with their own VOD services, all of which charge a third of what Floslam now charges and in the case of WWE and Highspots (and perhaps others), provide far more content than Floslam currently does.
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Re: Evolve (WWNLive)

Post by supersonic » Sun May 28, 2017 9:12 pm

McCarron's fault obviously.

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Re: Evolve (WWNLive)

Post by TGD287 » Mon May 29, 2017 2:51 am

Am I alone in finding it odd that all of the discussion is "FloSlam raises prices due to lack of success this far", when it's a raise for over a dozen other Flo brands too?

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Re: Evolve (WWNLive)

Post by themib » Tue May 30, 2017 6:47 am

They said that it's to accommodate monthly payments for all the other FloSports services, new customers aren't allowed to only subscribe to one service now. Bit ridiculous when you don't want to watch track and field, amateur wrestling and the like.

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Re: Evolve (WWNLive)

Post by Empiresk » Tue May 30, 2017 7:18 am

Lucha Forever, a UK company that it seems was specifically set up for provide content for FloSlam, has not started their own OD service on Pivotshare.

Coincidence that Flo put the prices up 50% and this happens?

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Re: Evolve (WWNLive)

Post by mlev76 » Sun Jul 09, 2017 6:17 pm

Drake/Henry vs. Jaka/Dickinson was one of the best matches I've seen this year. The dynamic was like a cross between Second City Saints vs. Briscoes and Steenerico vs. Briscoes. Main event was great too, but you have to see the tag match.

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Re: Evolve (WWNLive)

Post by thecubsfan » Mon Jul 10, 2017 4:24 am

Empiresk wrote:Lucha Forever, a UK company that it seems was specifically set up for provide content for FloSlam, has not started their own OD service on Pivotshare.

Coincidence that Flo put the prices up 50% and this happens?
The northern California lucha promotion PWR was announced as coming to FloSlam the same day as Lucha Forever, was back to running iPPVs on Fite this weekend. Shrug.

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Re: Evolve (WWNLive)

Post by monster mafia » Thu Jul 13, 2017 7:29 pm

evolve is kind of cold right now or is still hot?

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Re: Evolve (WWNLive)

Post by armsofsleep » Thu Jul 13, 2017 7:42 pm

monster mafia wrote:evolve is kind of cold right now or is still hot?
I think the last 5ish shows have been as good as they've ever been. I'm loving the new talent they're bringing in. It's all the auxiliary stuff that has people down on the product. Stuff like Riddle being WWN champ and double booking himself too much to defend it everywhere, FloSlam being a dumpster fire, the crowds being dead in 80% of the cities they run, the Mercury Rising show not knocking it out of the park, losing Hero..... It's dont pretty well despite all that though. I can't really point out an American promotion that's as consistently great as them (outside of maybe an upstart like Glory Pro).

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Re: Evolve (WWNLive)

Post by mlev76 » Fri Jul 14, 2017 6:14 pm

Flo finally released the entire Evolve library

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Re: Evolve (WWNLive)

Post by syxxpakk » Fri Jul 14, 2017 7:36 pm

It still $30?
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Re: Evolve (WWNLive)

Post by mlev76 » Sat Jul 15, 2017 11:42 am

syxxpakk wrote:It still $30?
If you go month to month. If you do annually, it's $120 and ten a month. Given this recent expansion of the archive plus the amount of live events you get, feel like it's well worth it.

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Re: Evolve (WWNLive)

Post by themib » Mon Jul 17, 2017 12:51 pm

They've gone back down to $20.

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Re: Evolve (WWNLive)

Post by mlev76 » Mon Jul 17, 2017 5:22 pm

themib wrote:They've gone back down to $20.
Smart move. 30 was way too much.

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